Translation-Communication

Translation-Communication

I often read there were 'Semitic words" written by the ancient Egyptians?

The use of the word Semite is mostly used to identify Jews. The ramification being they are descendants of an old guy named Shem.

We have all had thousands of ancestors from different families or nationalities.

No one is an exclusive descendant of any specific ancestor but they are a composite of every ancestor they ever came from.

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Semite definition associated with the bible:

Semites

Encyclopedia: Semites, term first used toward the end of the 18th century for peoples listed in the Bible (see Genesis 10:21-32) as descended from Shem, the eldest son of the biblical patriarch Noah.

Today, however, the term Semite is a linguistic, not a racial, classification; it refers to peoples who spoke or speak any of the Semitic languages. Ancient peoples grouped under this term include those who inhabited Aram, Assyria, Babylonia, Canaan (including the Hebrews), and Phoenicia. Among modern peoples speaking Semitic languages are the Arabs and Jews, particularly in Israel.

The original homeland of the Semites is not definitely known. Scholars think it probably was in southwestern Asia, and some even locate it specifically in Arabia. Evidence uncovered by archaeologists indicates that Semitic-speaking peoples were scattered over Mesopotamia before the establishment of urban culture there; and it is thought that waves of Semitic nomads, beginning presumably in prehistoric times, successively swept over the deserts westward into the Fertile Crescent. Today, the Semitic-speaking peoples (chiefly Arabs) are concentrated in the Middle East and Northern Africa. (Egypt)

Their influence has been extended by the Arabs into Africa south of the Sahara and eastward to the subcontinent of India.

Microsoft ® Encarta ® Encyclopedia 2004. © 1993-2003 Microsoft Corporation. All rights reserved.

According to the bible the Israelites came from Chaldeans (ancient Iraqis) and they produced their descendants with Ham such as Ammonites, Amorites, Amorites, Ashdod, Canaanites, Egyptians, Hittites, Hivites, Jebusites, Midianites, Moabites, Perizzites.. and MORE !

The Israelites could no more be Semites than they could be Hamites

The Israelites could not be a different race than any other Asians they encountered, because the Israelites were NOTHING BUT A COMPOSITE of the other Asians they encountered.

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Semite definition of a people which spoke a language of the near east.

The term Semite is a linguistic; it refers to peoples who spoke or speak any of the Semitic languages. Ancient peoples grouped under this term include those who inhabited Aram, Assyria, Babylonia, Canaan (including the Hebrews), and Phoenicia. Among modern peoples speaking Semitic languages are the Arabs

The linguistic definition of the word Semite is abstract. The population included in this definition of Semites, spoke dozens of DIFFERENT LANGUAGES.

This term Semite is a SET and with in the set were a multitude of SUBSETS ... People who spoke a 'Semitic language' in one are could not understand those who spoke a 'Semitic language in another area'.

Using the word Semite to identify any middle east tribe/empire is like saying the boy busted my balloon, when there are a hundred boys in the play ground.

When any authors write the Egyptians wrote Semitic words, ask them which of dozens of Semitic languages do you mean?

The only possible meaning of Semitic language would be some unidentified language of some unidentified population in the middle east.

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Names = descriptions ... meanings

In early Europe the first/last name format was not used. Like in the middle east, names had meanings.

Miller.. this person worked as a Miller

Smith.. black smith

It is quite fun to see what people named themselves.

Native Americans also used descriptions as their names. How many names could there be? How many ideas could people conceive to identify themselves with?

If you read things such as the bible, you can look to see names given. Israel had 12 sons and they were all given different names. Some names could be repeated but others were just names given as a description.

I Samual 4:20-22 Ichabod

How many Egyptians existed after the first 1000 years? Any one who has ever done a family tree study understands the explosive rate of population increase in a few generations.

Life expectancy would have little impact. If the life expectancy was only 35 years old, by that time women would have produced their children.

No condoms, no birth control, no women's lib. How many Egyptians existed after 1000 years?

The idea that these millions of Egyptians would have conformed and all taken pat names like modern day populations, is a stretch of the imagination.

Look at all the names of the Pharaohs ... an array of names.

Names of ancient times did not take on the form of modern day names. Names were words that had some meaning.

What is a Semitic, European, Canaanite or Arabic name? .. the "Arabic name" below sounds something like Wada-gal-me-le (to me)

To hear the name in Arabic http://tech.groups.yahoo.com/group/EncEg_Standards/files/Rose1.mp3

 

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If you were to place this girl's name on your wall for visitors to see, would it be an "Arabic name"

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Translation is not the replacement of words in another language with words in your own language.

Communication is the use of signs, sounds or symbols to render information.

Some times it takes more words in one language to present the same information than the words needed in another language.

Translation is the rendering of meanings (not words) from one language to another.

A question we can begin with is, were the Egyptians communicating with any foreigners. Could the Egyptians understand what foreigners were saying?

* IF the Egyptians could not/did communicate with any foreigners, what they called those foreigners was Egyptian words, with Egyptian meanings... this would blow the assertion that these were "Semitic names".

* If the Egyptians could/did communicate with foreigners to communicate information TO Egyptians, then they would have used Egyptian words/meanings to write on their walls.

The Egyptians did not write in their tombs with the intent of Hittites, Canaanites or Phoenicians to come in and read.

What the Egyptians wrote in hieroglyphics, was written to communicate information to Egyptians.

Any names the Egyptians wrote on their walls, was what it meant to Egyptians who read it.

If you were could communicate with one who spoke Arabic, and knew what the word meant, to identify her name to your English speaking friends, you would use the text of the English that held the meaning in English.

On your wall you would exchange the Arabic for the English text, Beautiful Rose and you would change the pronunciation  Wada-gal-me-le  with Beautiful Rose. 

Names in ancient times had specific meanings. If any foreigner was named, Strong Bull, Wise Owl, Cunning Jackal or Happy Hippo... when the Egyptians wrote it on their walls, it would have Hieroglyphic words that had Egyptian meanings.

The Egyptians used hieroglyphic text to write "Asiatic/Semitic words" NO, the Egyptians used hieroglyphic text to write Egyptian words to communicate information TO Egyptians.

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